Big Sur Forward: Data, Research, & Solutions

7/18/16 from Nadine Clark:

Hi Kate,
I’ve been keeping car tallies when I go to and from town. All are from (or to) my turn off which is mm 44.45 (read heading south) to Rio Rd.
My normal driving time to Rio Rd. used to average 30 to 35 mins.
I did not count cars that were in all the turnouts.
I’m giving you time of day I’ve traveled, duration, car count and a little traffic info

Wed. 7/6/16 9:20 a.m. 38 mins to Rio Rd. southbound cars 367
2:45 p.m. 48 mins to home northbound cars 610, southbound traffic was a steady line of cars, I was in the middle of maybe 40, no passing at any safe point

Fri. 7/8 16 8:50 a.m. 50 mins. southbound cars 346
12:30 p.m. 55 mins northbound cars 502, heavy traffic going south

Tues 7/12/16 9:15 a.m. 40 mins southbound cars 346
1:50 pm.. 50 mins, northbound cars 462

Fri 7/15/16 8:50 a.m 45 mins. southbound cars 281
12:15 pm 57 mins, northbound cars 454, very slow driving south 12:

Sun. 7/17/16 12:45 pm 56 mins. southbound cars 987, hideous ride
6:30 pm 50 mins. northbound cars 520

Let me know if you want me to keep sending you tallies, I’m keeping record anyway.



7/17/16 suggestions from Christina Van Allen:

Big Sur Traffic, Over-use; Mitigations

With a recent return to Big Sur, during the week, mind you, I was immersed in the growing problem of traffic and over-use in the Big Sur area. It needs to be stated up front that this is not unique to just Big Sur, but is also paralyzing the Monterey Peninsula as well. The traffic back-up actually begins as far north as the Hollister/ San Juan Bautista intersection of Hwy 101, and is bumper to bumper from the Red Barn above Prunedale, through Seaside all the way to Rio Rd. I repeat, bumper to bumper, mid-week. There, at Rio Rd., people seem to turn off and regroup before their assault on the Big Sur coast.

I have been saying for a couple of years I believe there will one day be a toll booth at both ends of the Coast Hwy, perhaps at Odello Flats and at Cambria, where people will pay a sizable toll and receive instruction on how to drive and behave on the coast, similar to your entrance into Yosemite. Traffic will be controlled by a computer system connected to both ends that limits the flow to a certain number, and reservations will be encouraged. Locals will simply show a pass and enjoy a by-pass lane. A discussion of critical information pertinent to the coast including driving, fire safety will take place verbally, and brochures further explaining coastal issues, will be handed out.

This will not return Big Sur to what you remember, but will rather protect it from total unregulated chaos, which is where it is headed right now. There are some serious considerations that need to be in discussion right now. Namely:

THE MONEY… There will be a lot of money generated. Tolls should be high, $30.00 or more. The southern toll booth has to be in Monterey County or San Luis County will keep the money from that end of the Hwy. ALSO, Big Sur is un-incorporated, so Monterey County will keep all the money and trickle only pennies on the dollar back to the Coast unless Big Sur incorporates.

INCORPORATION… Big Sur needs to re-visit incorporation as a way of protecting itself. The money generated by the tolls will help finance the local infrastructure as will a tax on the income of the Big Business’s drawing the people to Big Sur who are all, paradoxically, making a financial killing off of the very thing that is choking Big Sur to death. The problems facing Big Sur right now leave it exposed to a hostile take over by the State or Federal Government, so this re-visitation to Incorporation is a good idea.

THE COASTAL COMMISSION… The Coastal Commission has to be involved from the beginning. As the opponents to Short Term Rentals are finding out, they have wasted two years of meetings and hand wringing by allowing the seat marked for the Coastal Commission to remain vacant at their meetings. The Coastal Commission is dedicated to Coastal Access by the general public, and has to be at the table for any planning concerning coastal access; FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. The Coastal Commission has to understand that the Coast is threatened by that very access they encourage, and convinced that some regulation is necessary to preserve the gem that they want to showcase.

PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE… Beside providing education to the public when they pay their toll, there will have to be restrooms provided along the route in its entirety. Adequate parking, or the prevention of parking, has to be addressed everywhere, but certainly at locations such as McWay Falls, Bixby Bridge, the Big Sur Trailheads, Deetjens, River Inn and Nepenthe. Some traffic will be removed by a shuttle system involving scheduled stops along the way, where people leave their cars behind at either end of the coast and enjoy a chauffeured experience.

BIG SUR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE… The BSCC has to be on board and this will not be easy, they are of course benefitting from the increase in traffic. The business’s will have to be part of the reservation system controlling traffic at both ends of the Coast. They will have to be O.K. with a leveling off of their revenues.

In Conclusion… Not addressing the obvious growing problem of over use and traffic on the Big Sur Coast will bring on the complete demise of any sanctity you remember as a part of your Big Sur life. It will also eventually expose Big Sur to another government take over, when the Feds and State step in to solve the problem. Meetings should be organized NOW. Forget STR’s, they are not our real problem. Vet participants as to their true motives, the preservation of Big Sur being the objective. Involve the County, Caltrans, and the Coastal Commission right away. Start a study NOW regarding incorporation, including revenues from the toll booths and taxes on the Business’s along the Coast. Get serious and involved right now, don’t wait, it’s much later than you think.

Christian Van Allen

P.S. I don’t know the actual number of tourist vehicles that would pay $30.00 a car at the Toll Booths, but here’s something to think about… One Million cars a year would be $30 million dollars. Monterey County and possibly the State would want some of that money, with the Town of Big Sur taking the rest. That division would have to be worked out, but I would shoot for Big Sur taking half, or $15 million a year, the County and the State splitting the other half. Yosemite, our closest example of a pristine destination suffering from overuse is drawing close to 2 Million cars a year, or 4 Million people a year, so the above numbers regarding the Toll booth could be much higher.
7/12/16: A link to all the traffic surveys conducted by Cal-Trans from 1993-2014:

Cal Trans Traffic Surveys

I will add the surveys from 1979-1993 when I receive them from Cal Trans.


6/27/16 Great little article written by Ivy last August:

Big Sur: Bonfires of Insanity


6/26/16: And here is a list of this morning, Sunday’s illegal campfires. If you wonder why I am becoming rabid, this explains it:


6/26/16 – found this on free

“This is probably the last year for dispersed camping in Big Sur. There is a task force in place to create forest orders to prevent it.

The forest service contacted me and said that people are camping in the road way. That there are illegal fires, trash and feces about. Right now, they are going around and ticketing those who are parking in the road (obstructing it) and those who have fires, as they should.

If you plan on staying along one of the many forest roads in the Los Padres National Forest Monterey Ranger District, please be a good steward. If you see someone blocking the road way, let them know they will be ticketed. No fires! Pick up any trash that you see. Leave the place in better shape than you found it.”


6/22/16 – NO MORE FREE CAMPING IN BIG SUR (THIS WAS TAKEN DOWN FROM MY MAIN PAGE AT THE REQUEST OF THE USFS while they get approval from the chain of command)

I admit the headline is an exaggeration, but not by much AND I need to get the attention of all those who love Big Sur, those who love “free” camping, and those who don’t give a shit what they do to an area in which they are camping. I thought maybe this would do it.

The Los Padres National Forest has been staffed with a very busy, very active TDY Fire Prevention Technician from the Sierra National Forest. Her name is Franny Adams, and her partner is Mike.

I was away for a couple weeks, but got home on Saturday. On my way up Plaskett – on a Saturday – I was awed by the lack of campers and traffic on Plaskett. Rock Knocker and I kept commenting that it was “eerie.” Tonight, coming home, it was almost like the before times – except for all the damage of off-roading, creating new campsites in every turnout or ridge top. I hope the land is given enough time to heal.

When I saw Franny today, around 9 am, she was way up Plaskett and we stopped and talked. I let her know what a difference it was making. Again, there were no campers until down at the very bottom, and then, only one group. When I got home this afternoon I looked on WildCAD and found this:

Cone Peak Road/6.5 mi . . . . . 36.050 x 121.486
06/22/2016 10:59 LPF-1845
New Wildfire Cone Peak Road/4.8 mi . . . . . 36.041 x 121.478
06/22/2016 10:57 LPF-1844
New Wildfire Alms Ridge Road/7.1 miles . . . . . 35.980 x 121.464
06/22/2016 10:56 LPF-1843
New Wildfire Alms Ridge Road\5.9 mi . . . . . 35.973 x 121.455
06/22/2016 10:53 LPF-1842
New Wildfire Alms Ridge Road/5.6 mi . . . . . 35.971 x 121.450
06/22/2016 10:53 LPF-1841
Frontier Resource Order . . . . . . .
06/22/2016 10:52 LPF-1840
New Wildfire Alsm Ridge Road/5.1 mi . . . . . 35.972 x 121.445
06/22/2016 10:49 LPF-1839
New Wildfire Nacimiento Rd/5 mi from HWY1 . . . . . 36.009 x 121.459
06/22/2016 10:47 LPF-1838
New Miscellaneous Nacimiento Ferguson Rd/4.1 mi from HWY1 . . . . . 35.999 x 121.458
06/22/2016 10:44 LPF-1837
New Wildfire ALMS RDG CG M . . . . . 35.989 x 121.466
06/22/2016 10:42 LPF-1836
New Wildfire Alms Ridge Road/7.1 miles . . . . . 35.988 x 121.432
06/22/2016 10:40 LPF-1835
New Wildfire Alms Ridge Road/5.7 miles . . . . . 35.968 x 121.437
06/22/2016 10:31 LPF-1834
New Wildfire

Looks like Franny and Mike were quite busy this morning, as well as our wonderful local crews at Nacimiento Station and Pacific Valley Station. She also gave me a copy of the flyer the USFS is giving out to the campers they see (and she confirmed, yes, they are writing tickets for illegal campfires). This is what is being distributed:



6/17/16 – I don’t know how long this link will work, but it is a great interview with Chip Laugharn, the Asst. District Fire Management Officer, 12th Battalion.

KION Interview re campfires


6/16/16 – WildCAD – LPNF reported 17 illegal campfires, 4 on Plaskett, the rest on Nacimiento RD., South Coast Ridge Road, Alm’s Ridge and Prewitt Camp, all between 9 pm and 9:45 pm. So happy to see USFS patrolling the area. Thank you, thank you, thank you!


This is the County Ordinance re camping, and it covers County Roads, as well as Highway One:

· Sections:

· 14.18.010 – Definitions.

“Camping” as used in this Chapter is defined as one or more of the following: erecting a tent or shelter for the purpose of sleeping; arranging bedding for the purpose of sleeping; or use of a standing or parked vehicle for the purpose of sleeping.

(Ord. 3162, 1986; Ord. 3953, 1998)

· 14.18.020 – Camping prohibited on public property.

A. No person shall camp in the right-of-way of State Highway One between the Carmel River and the Monterey-San Luis Obispo County Line at any time.

B. No person shall camp between the hours of six p.m. and six a.m. on any:

1. Public road, or

2. Public property, except when the public property is expressly designated and posted for overnight camping.

(Ord. 3162, 1986; Ord. 3953, 1998

I also would like to determine whether camping on other county roads is an issue, and if so where, and if so, what is being done? I do know the county set up a place on a (county?) road over by the dump to allow people who live in their vehicles to camp for the night. This is a specifically designated spot. I can think of many, many ways we might look at this camping issue


Memorial Day Weekend – Enforcement on the ban on camping on Highway One has begun by the MCSO and they are posting photos of same to social media. It is a great start and I personally want to thank Steve Bernal and his deputies for their willingness to help us on these issues.



May 20, 2016 – First gathering of the Overuse committee. Well attended by all but Matt Fuzie of California State Parks or his representative. Rick Aldridge sent him a personal request to attend or send someone, but Matt did not respond. We worked on an issues matrix that Kathleen Lee had developed. Representative of the MCSO was very attentive and promised that some targeted enforcement would be forthcoming, but couldn’t promise a time frame. More as the matrix is developed and completed and as solutions become more clear. A couple continuing themes were enforcement and education. We all recognize the impact social media is having on our area.


Katee Armstrong’s Data Collection on campsites: (Katee notes in her collection that she cannot see all the USFS campsites from the road, so this is just the ones she can see. Also, she only goes out on the road typically 4 days a week, M-Th)

Here is a condensed version of the figures on the attached Excell sheets:
Oct. 6-31, 2015 : # camps seen on Coast Ridge Road = 139 (139 x 2.5= 347.5 est. people)
# camps seen on Naciemiento Road= 291 (291 x 2.5 = 727.5 est. people)
Nov. 1-30, 2015: # camps seen on Coast Ridge Road= 147 (147 x 2.5 = 367.5 est. people)
# camps seen on Naciemiento Road= 267 (267 x x2.5 = 667.5 est. people)
Dec. 1-31, 2015 (only logged on 12 days this month):
# camps seen on Coast Ridge Road= 87 (87 x 2.5 = 217.5 est. people)
# camps seen on Naciemiento Road= 154 (154 x 2.5 = 385 est. people)
Jan. 1-31, 2016: # of camps seen on Coast Ridge Road= 52 (52 x 2.5 = 130 est. people)
# camps seen on Naciemiento Road= 125 (125 x 2.5 = 312.5 est. people)
Feb. 1-29, 2016: # of camps seen on Coast Ridge Road= 343 (343 x 2.5 = 857.5 est. people)
# camps seen on Naciemiento Road= 236 (236 x 2.5 590 est. people)
Mar. 1-31, 2016: # of camps seen on Coast Ridge Road= 323 (323 x 2.5 = 807.5 est. people)
# camps seen on Naciemiento Road= 468 (468 x 2.5 = 1170 est. people)

Total # of est. people camping on Naciemiento Road & Coast Ridge Road = 6580.


April 16, 2016 – A very long meeting, with great attendance and interest. Many ideas, suggestions, and concerns were voiced. I gave my intro (see below photo) in much abbreviated form. I will add links to the articles I mention at a later time, as I am busy the next few days.


Big Sur Multi Agency Advisory Council Meeting (Kate’s intro to topic)

The overuse of Big Sur must be addressed by a broad spectrum of jurisdictions. That is why this is the perfect forum for our shared problem.

The state has jurisdiction over and responsibility for maintenance and enforcement on Highway One. We each have many horror stories. On gorgeous weekends or holidays, it has become all but a parking lot. It is now beyond capacity, and getting worse. Emergency response times have been dangerously reduced, as seen by the recent incident of trees and power lines down which responders had a difficult time reaching, due to traffic. Our visitors are now camping on the side of the highway, despite county ordinances against it.

County has jurisdiction over and responsibility for maintenance and enforcement over Nacimiento Fergusson Road through County Roads and the MCSO. Because the road is bordered almost entirely by the Los Padres National Forest, the USFS shares jurisdiction and responsibility for much of the problem. It has become a campground, with every turnout housing tents, vehicles, and RVs. Katee Armstrong kept track of the campers along N-F on the days she travels it for the past 6 months which is usually 4 days during the week. She has noted a total of 1541 campsites on this one road in just under 6 months, and that doesn’t include a summer.
Jurisdictionally, Willow Creek is the same as N-F. It is a county road, bordered by USFS land, and thus, responsibility is shared.

Plaskett is the only road on the South Coast which is under the Jurisdiction of both the County, the first 1.3 miles, and the USFS – 3.7 miles to gate, and 1 mile from back gate to South Coast Ridge Road. I have not kept the records Katee has, but camping is now everywhere, wherever a vehicle can reach, driving around barricades, onto all the ridge tops, causing serious erosion and loss of native flora, among other problems. There have been people parked and even camped in the road at times, making emergency response difficult.

Solutions I have heard include concentrating enforcement at lead-in points, such as Carmel and Carmel Highlands to the north and Ragged Point and Gorda to the south, targeting slow moving traffic before they cause the back-ups. Another, is to create a traffic/informational radio station as they do at airports and some state and federal parks with signs at the entrances suggesting tuning in for information about traffic conditions, restroom facility locations, proper parking, etc.
The idea of making Highway One a toll road has been around since at least 1985 when I first arrived.

We are not the first to experience the overuse of a wilderness area. 30 years ago, the USFS in Utah commissioned a study and released its report, “Managing Wilderness Recreation Uses: Common Problems and Potential Solutions.” This report is available online. In 2007, the USFS in Colorado gathered a group of people together from various user groups to help find a solution to overuse. 3 years later, the group presented its findings and possible solutions. This year, a world heritage site in Italy, Cirque Terre, decided to limit the number of visitors allowed to enter the area to 1.5 million to prevent further degradation to both the land and the culture of the area. “Tickets” are to be made available online, with monitoring of the traffic on the road. When a certain number is reached, access will be closed. “We will certainly be criticized for this, but for us, it is a question of survival,” said one resident.

Montana University, USFS, BLM, NPS and others have cooperated on a website, that addresses the problem of overuse.

The resolution to all these issues is multifaceted, but certainly education and enforcement are critical. In order to work on potential solutions for this area, given the multi-jurisdictional nature of Big Sur, it is imperative that the agencies involved be active participants. A working group might be created that includes: Cal-Trans, CHP, County Roads, MCSO, USFS, and perhaps F&G, since at least on the South Coast they are actively involved in enforcement. It would probably be wise to include the Coastal Commission as well, as their emphasis is shifting toward more access, I understand. Representatives of residents, businesses, and user groups should also be included.

I have started a separate page on my blog to continue this discussion and will add this intro for those who could not attend, anything anyone here wants to add, if you email it to me, I will include it and add the links I mentioned.

We are long overdue in seeking solutions to the common problem of overuse. We can no longer wait. Big Sur, as a place, as an experience, as our home, is dying the death of 1000 cuts. It will not be an easy task.


April 14, 2016-I am starting this separate page as a way to keep a conversation going which was formally begun on April 15, 2016 at the BSMAAC meeting. I hope it will encourage all to participate, offer ideas, gather information, and share all. I do not think announcements of new posts to this page go out as they do with the main page, but I will try to announce and posts links to this page when something important is posted.

14 Responses to “Big Sur Forward: Data, Research, & Solutions”

  1. […] You may notice that I have started a new page to keep the conversation going on the overuse of Big Sur. I hope all will participate and donate ideas, thoughts, and research. See Pages in the sidebar to the right. Or click on this link: OVERUSE OF BIG SUR […]


  2. Been thinkiing about this, I have one idea that may help. If whoever is in charge of the turnouts on the highway it might help to close the turnout on the north side of bixby and make it pedestrian access only, have a larger turnout north that people could park at and make them walk to the bridge. Not sure what to do about old coast road though.

    Brewski Bond


  3. Also looking into the legality of performing a citizens arrest when something like an illegal fire is going on. Maybe start a renegade law enforcement club. I know this is not the best idea but I’m racking my brain.


  4. Here comes summer! I wonder how many coast citizens might want to participate in an “organized action” outside of the planned meetings like what the multi-agency attracts? Given the state vehicle code enforcement polices (22504), there is nothing illegal about occupying the northern Bixby Bridge turnout and the old county road, Nacimiento, Plaskett etc. all day, or all night even. What will that accomplish? It could be a simple demonstration to county road and state highway and forest service officials of how irresponsibly dangerous their current inaction is; budget and manpower restraint excuses as they are, pre-existing mandates govern the provision of public health and safety. How many fires or vehicular and pedestrian injuries will it take?


  5. Peter, thanks for your thoughts. Personally, this Saturday of Memorial Day weekend, I am making a loop out the back, over South Coast Ridge RD, down Nacimiento, south on highway one, and then up Plaskett. My purpose is to collect data, photographs, and educate those I see about protecting this environment they so love. I’ll be asking, “Do you have a campfire permit? What are you doing with your waste? How much water do you have? Do you have a shovel? How do you extinguish your campfire when you leave? What happens to the land if you decide to go off-roading?” I wish I had a hand-out I could give them, maybe I can create a simple one tomorrow.


  6. Bring back the Grizzly, its an organic solution.



  7. Not all who visit the Big Sur area leave garbage, human waste, or even have camp fires. But it sounds as if you want all visitation to stop.


  8. No, Tori, we do NOT want visitation to stop, we just want the deluge to lessen and those that do come to be responsible, act responsibly, and care about Mother Earth. She cannot continue to sustain such abuse.


  9. Thank you Christian van Allen for a most excellent letter filled with ideas and action items!

    Below I’d like to share what I recently wrote to the Pine Cone. I hope it may help to get everyone further inspired to take action.


    Dear Editor,

    What kind of a home do you and I want to share with our future visitors. Will it be a Big Sur and Carmel that has no one living in it? A downtown Pacific Grove with few permanent residents and with schools turned into health spa’s for tourists?

    We live in one of the most beautiful areas of the world and the world knows it. To date the Monterey peninsula has received a very small fraction of the millions of people around the world waiting to come visit us. I have worked in the service industry since I arrived here in 1984. I have welcomed guests, either at the table at Ventana or Post Ranch, where I used to wait tables, or at the Henry Miller Library where I have been fortunate to work since 1993. Perhaps the most pleasurable aspect of my work has been the sharing of our natural and cultural wonderland, both the present and the past, with many thousands of people. I much enjoy hosting visitors, including in my own home, but now I am worried about where Big Sur and the Monterey Peninsula is heading.

    Some time ago the so called ‘new economy’ (one that some people erroneously call ‘inevitable!’) came upon the scene. One of the benefits of this economy was the ability to rent out part of ones home to week-end visitors. It promised economic opportunity, more ‘cottage industry,’ more tourism and a more democratic and ‘sharing’ economy, etc.. Many cities, towns and villages around the world enthusiastically embraced this as the ‘future.’ But what actually happened? After years of booming business the jury has come in and instead of Mom and Pop home businesses, in harmony with neighbors and the local culture, homes and apartments often ended up being sold to individuals and/or businesses that converted the entire home or apartment to full-time short term rental. The result is neighborhoods losing many of its people and along with them its culture, history and sense of place.

    In fact the very essence of why a place may have been attractive in the first place was lost, just ask people from small towns in coastal New England, small towns on the Swedish west coast, alpine villages in Switzerland, downtown Paris, London, Rome, Florence, Venice, the country villages in Provence, France, the list goes on. The answer is that they now regret having allowed their neighborhoods and towns to become commercial zones bereft of their essence, and that they now find it very hard, if not impossible, to reverse the terrific damage caused.

    Here on the Monterey Peninsula we don’t have to repeat the same mistakes, we do not have to let unfettered commercial exploitation ruin our neighborhoods. It is alarming to me that folks who want Short Term Rental to be promoted are celebrating the growth in tourism they say would ensue at a time when, beyond any reasonable doubt, it soon will be necessary to limit the quantity of visitors.

    We have to ask ourselves: When does quantity start to degrade the quality of experience for our guests and the quality of life for residents? When does quantity create serious public safety issues? When? Tomorrow? Already? In the ‘Future?’

    We need to take a firm stand against the commercialization of residential neighborhoods for the sake of the quality of life, the quality of place, and the obligation we all share in protecting our cultural and natural heritage for us and millions of future visitors.

    Thank You!

    Magnus Toren


  10. a profound thank you for attempting to protect sacred space. truly. thank you. peg kazda, in tucson with heart in big sur…..


  11. To all that love Big Sur,I feel your pain. I can’t tell you how many illegal campfires and fire pits I have encountered in the last couple of years. When approached, the offending folks either say that they didn’t know that it was illegal or, hey man, I ve got it handled. I hate to say it but I think the only way to deal effectively with this issue is for the government to stop all camping on all the public roadways and environs. Use large signs and levy fines liberally. The powers that be may say they don’t have the resources or manpower to do it. My response is, how much does it cost to fight, [a losing battle] with a wildfire????? A small percentage of the Soberanes fire budget would pay for many more full time well trained personal to patrol the roads and the back country, [for example, Soberanes canyon.]
    Heck, why not put in another campground in Pacific Valley? I don’t blame the folks for wanting to come here, but the current situation is not acceptable.

    Alex Cole,


  12. This place ,Big sir,is the most beautiful place on earth,and it is being overwhelmed by the sheer amount of people and traffic and litter and illegal campfires…I come from new York state twice a year to visit the masterpiece that is Big Sur.i took it upon myself to do my part by removing litter from numerous turnouts because I so love the place….one day I filled 4 large trash bags with litter,they barely fit in my rental,and I received some funny looks dumping it into the motels dumpster..’this trashing has to stop….and all the abandoned fire pits I seen on nacimiento road this past April alarmed me….either route 1 becomes a toll road for non residents,or outlaw all campfires period…..something must be done.imagine what Robinson Jeffers would say?


  13. I fully agree that overuse, also known as trampling, happens when too many people are on the planet. I do not believe we can save Big Sur, or the planet, until world-wide population reduction is taken seriously. If you find a way to save Big Sur while the rest of Planet Earth is being destroyed, please let me know, as I truly do not think it’s possible. I like your website very much, we need more people like you.


  14. I have been filling bags with litter and more disgusting items for over 30 years and two things stand out to me. First, trash causes more trash, and must be picked up before the followers feel it’s customary to litter, obvious, but that’s why I pick up litter from the street in front of my home. Secondly, a large portion of the litter is t.p. from the tourist ladies peeing. What I find revealing is the quantity within 1/4 mile of the Rag. Yes the tourists are, ( almost by definition ), idiots. However, how are they to know that there is a public restroom and a trash can only 400 meters north. There are facilities aplenty if only our guests were aware of their location. I don’t know, how about some sort of website using our mile markers or gps? Highlight both our scenic wonders and charming commercial interests, include upcoming opportunities to properly dispose of waste and point out that it’s not considered proper in this country to crap in a strangers driveway ( the international symbology potential is basely humorous). Just a thought. Do Heather and I really need to carry a bucket, grabbers and Purell just to enjoy the drive home, or are blinders the answer?


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